The mother of a child who died in a foster family is fighting for her second son. The mother of Yegor, who died in the family of foster parents, told why her son was taken away from her

The photo shown at the beginning of the broadcast shows little Timur - he was supposed to replace Yegor, who died in the foster family, whose death could no longer be hidden from the villagers. This shocking news was discussed throughout the country last week. In broad daylight in Morozovsk (Rostov region), three-year-old Timur was torn from the hands of his grandmother by unknown persons. Later it became known that the abductors were married couple, which thus decided to hide ... another crime. Watch the issue Let them talk - Get to the bottom of the truth 05/23/2017

Andrei and Natalya Pavlov were detained by police two days after the abduction. And soon the woman began to give shocking testimony. From her words, it became clear that the spouses kidnapped Timur, since he was supposed to replace another child similar to him. Almost a year ago, Natalya brought her adopted son, three-year-old Yegor Marenko, to death and, secretly from her husband and all her fellow villagers, she buried her near her own house. All characters this horrific story will be gathered today on the program Let them talk.

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Witnesses managed to remember the number of the car in which Timur was taken away, and 2 days later the police found the kidnappers. They turned out to be a married couple from the Chernyshkovsky district, Natalya and Andrey Pavlov. According to the woman, Egor was accidentally scalded with boiling water, after which Natalia treated his burns with miramistin, but was afraid to call an ambulance.

In the studio of the program Let They Speak (issue “Get to the Truth”) - the grandmother of the deceased boy Tamara Nikulina:

I'm living like hell right now! I can't believe that Yegor is no more. In September last year, we sounded the alarm. We asked Natalya to show us her grandson, but she refused us. I felt that something was wrong in this family.

How did it happen that Yegor was given to a foster family?

- My daughter Katya disappeared in July 2016 - she went to work and stopped contacting me. Then my house burned down. I applied for custody, but they told me that I would not be able to raise my grandchildren, and they advised me to give Egor to a foster family ... So Egor ended up with the Pavlovs. A little time passed and I began to worry: Natalya and Andrey did not show me their grandson and all the time they came up with reasons. I learned about his death from the police. At this time, my daughter Katya had already returned home.

"Komsomolskaya Pravda" found out new details of the death of four-year-old Yegor, who died in the foster family of the Pavlovs. The very ones who stole little Timur S. in broad daylight on May 7 in Morozovsk to replace the child who died eight months ago.

On an investigative experiment 47-year-old Natalia Pavlova, the mother of two of her own children and four more, taken by her and her husband Andrei for upbringing, said new version boy's death.

Here he played, - already relatively calmly - not like the day before in court, when tears rolled down from her eyes, she showed with her left hand ( the right one was fastened to the accompanying policeman - ed.) to the kitchen-living room. - Then, we didn’t even notice how it happened, a pot of boiling water fell on him from the stove and hot water scalded his legs.

Foster mother tells how the baby was scalded with boiling water A photo: First channel

She claims she tried to treat him folk remedies: sprayed “Miramistin” on the wound, wrapped the leg with polyethylene, and put on socks on top. The Pavlovs were afraid to go to the hospital, because not only the scalded boy, but in general all adopted children would be taken away from them ( 13-year-old Sergey, 11-year-old Ksenia, 7-year-old Danil - by the way, sibling Egor) - just missed the smallest one.

And then he got gangrene, and he died, - looking blankly past the video camera recording her testimony, the investigator says foster mother. - I took it to the garden, found a hole and put it there.

Meanwhile, Yegor's own mother unexpectedly showed up - Ekaterina Marenko. The children, she says, were taken away from her several years ago (Egorka was very tiny), when she left for a few years "to work."

We lived badly then, there was no money, we had to look for options in order to earn money for a living, she says.

Now, say the young woman and her mother, Tamara Nikulina, everything has changed: they supposedly have their own household (poultry, livestock), and they allegedly wanted to take them back - after Ekaterina finds a permanent job.

After all, I went to them, to the Pavlovs, to the Yarskaya farm, begged to show the children, but she ( foster mother, Natalya Pavlova. - approx. ed.) refused, says Tamara.

Now they are visiting the eldest son of Ekaterina Marenko - Danil - in the hospital, where the foster children of the Pavlovs were temporarily assigned. Deciding how to take him home. By the way, the relatives of the two elders, Seryozha and Xenia, also showed up, and they are also going to seek their return.

The investigation into the death of Yegor in a foster family and the abduction of Timur S. by the Pavlovs continues.

Meanwhile, another criminal case has already been initiated - against the curator of the foster family from the guardianship and guardianship authorities of the Chernyshkovsky district of the Volgograd region.

The investigation found that over the past two years, the employee-curator visited the foster family of the Pavlovs only once - in March 2016, although, according to the law, she had to do this much more often, - said Natalia Kunitskaya, a representative of the ICR department in the Volgograd region.

In the very department of education of the Chernyshkovsky district, they justify themselves by saying that they tried to get to the Pavlovs, but it didn’t work out in any way: the foster mother either came to them herself district center or found answers.

Andrey Pavlov - foster father A photo: First channel

COMPETENT "It is impossible to replace an adopted child with another"

An attempt to replace an adopted child with another can go unnoticed only if the responsible employee of our structure does not do what is in his duties at all, - says a specialist in guardianship and guardianship in Rostov-on-Don (at his request, the name is not published for ethical reasons). - That is, in reality, it is impossible. Firstly, for each child given to a foster family, a personal file is initially opened, where, of course, there is also a medical card with detailed description features of the health of a minor: there are, as they say, all the special signs - operations, injuries, birthmarks, eye color, blood type, etc. Secondly, there is a photograph of the child at the time of transfer to new family. Thirdly, although there is no such requirement officially, most guardianship specialists ask foster parents to provide photos of the pupil taken during the year before January 31 - so you can immediately understand whether it is a child or not. In addition, a particular family has its own employee who “takes care” of the child until the age of majority (if he moves to another place of work, the entire array is transferred to a new person), and he is obliged to regularly visit families, check how the children are kept, in which conditions, whether they are in danger, etc., which means that he must visually know each of his wards. Taken together, all this suggests that the reality of a successful substitution is simply negligible.

In mid-May, the public was shocked scary tale the Pavlov family. 47-year-old Natalya and her husband, 48-year-old Andrey, arrived in the Rostov region from the Volgograd region to kidnap a child. They saw the boy Timur, who was walking with his grandmother, sprayed her in the face with a can, and the baby was taken away in their car.

Later it turned out that the couple is raising four children, over whom they have issued guardianship, as well as blood heirs. However, the adopted boy Yegor died in an accident. Natalya decided not to tell anyone about this, but simply bury the body near the house.

Andrey Malakhov discussed this topic in the program "Let them talk." The grandmother of the deceased Yegor appeared in the studio. She said that she had a presentiment of the tragedy and even came to the house of Natalia and Andrei to see her grandson. Tamara Nikulina admitted that she was forced to give the boy and his brother Danil to another family. Her daughter went to work in another city, and then simply stopped communicating. Out of desperation and lack of funds, the woman handed Yegor over to the Pavlov couple.

// Photo: Frame of the program "Let them talk"

According to Tamara, social workers promised that she would be free to see her grandchildren. However new family children did not want to make contact. After the kidnapping of Timur, it turned out that the adoptive Yegor was gone. Natalya told her husband that the boy was lost, but a little later it turned out that he had died. The program showed a recording of an investigative experiment, during which Natalya told that for 20 days the boy continued to live with burns - the skin gradually peeled off, and then he stopped breathing. Experts in the studio could not believe what the woman said.

Egor's biological mother Ekaterina Marenko appeared in the studio.

“I’m to blame for everything, I stumbled, I’m to blame,” Catherine began her story with these words. “Of course I didn't want that. I crawled on my knees and begged guardianship to show the children. They said that my house is not suitable for life - there must be gas, rooms, computers.

// Photo: Frame of the program "Let them talk"

Now the young woman is trying to do everything to pick up her second child from a foster family. Experts in the studio were outraged by the way the guardianship and guardianship authorities work. The Pavlovs' neighbors said that Andrey drinks alcoholic beverages, and Natalya herself admitted during the investigative experiment that her husband does not take an active part in raising children.

Elena Chernyshkova, the head of the guardianship and guardianship authorities, appeared in the studio, who was relieved of her post during the investigation. She admitted that she feels responsible for the fact that the boy died.

// Photo: Frame of the program "Let them talk"

The teacher of the older children of the Pavlov family, Yulia Velichko, said that Seryozha aroused her suspicions - it seemed to the woman that the boy was being offended. Julia decided to come along with the head teacher to check how the children live. However, they did not find anything reprehensible.

“I saw dad several times, but I never saw him drunk,” she said about Pavlov.

Serezha's biological mother Tatyana Ermakova also told her story. She admitted that she was deprived of parental rights due to problems with the law. The guardianship and guardianship authorities also forbade her to communicate with her son.

Nina Boldyreva, Commissioner for Children's Rights of the Volgograd Region, considers this case egregious. Andrey Malakhov at the end of the program promised to take this case under his personal control and if the administration of the Volgograd region does nothing to solve the problem, they will all gather in the studio again.

// Photo: Frame of the program "Let them talk"

New details of the tragedy in the family that kidnapped three-year-old Timur to replace the dead boy native mother of the deceased Yegor Ekaterina MarenkoPhoto: Channel One

She claims that she tried to treat him with folk remedies: she sprayed Miramistin on the wound, wrapped her leg in polyethylene, and put on socks on top. The Pavlovs were afraid to go to the hospital, because not only the scalded boy, but in general all adopted children would be taken away from them ( 13-year-old Sergey, 11-year-old Ksenia, 7-year-old Danil - by the way, Egor's brother) - just missed the smallest one.

And then he developed gangrene, and he died, - the foster mother says, looking blankly past the investigator's video camera recording her testimony. - I took it to the garden, found a hole and put it there.

Meanwhile, Yegor's own mother, Ekaterina Marenko, unexpectedly showed up. Children, she says, were taken away from her several years ago (Egorka was very tiny), when she left for a few years "to work."

We lived badly then, there was no money, we had to look for options in order to earn money for a living, she says.

Now, say the young woman and her mother, Tamara Nikulina, everything has changed: they supposedly have their own household (poultry, livestock), and they allegedly wanted to take them back - after Ekaterina finds a permanent job.

Kidnapped Timur, the kidnappers thought, looks like a tragically dead child

After all, I went to them, to the Pavlovs, to the Yarskaya farm, begged to show the children, but she ( foster mother, Natalya Pavlova. - approx. ed.) refused, says Tamara.

Now they are visiting the eldest son of Ekaterina Marenko - Danil - in the hospital, where the foster children of the Pavlovs were temporarily assigned. Deciding how to take him home. By the way, the relatives of the two elders, Seryozha and Xenia, also showed up, and they are also going to seek their return.

The investigation into the death of Yegor in a foster family and the abduction of Timur S. by the Pavlovs continues.

Meanwhile, another criminal case has already been initiated - against the curator of the foster family from the guardianship and guardianship authorities of the Chernyshkovsky district of the Volgograd region.

The investigation found that over the past two years, the employee-curator visited the foster family of the Pavlovs only once - in March 2016, although, according to the law, she had to do this much more often, - said Natalia Kunitskaya, a representative of the ICR department in the Volgograd region.

In the very department of education of the Chernyshkovsky district, they justify themselves by saying that they tried to get to the Pavlovs, but everything did not work out: the foster mother either came to them herself, the regional center, or found excuses.

Andrey Pavlov - foster fatherPhoto: Channel One true_kpru

COMPETENTLY" It is impossible to replace the adopted child with another"

An attempt to replace an adopted child with another can go unnoticed only if the responsible employee of our structure does not do at all what is his responsibility, - says a specialist in guardianship and guardianship in Rostov-on-Don (at his request, the name is not published for ethical reasons). - That is, in reality, it is impossible. Firstly, for each child given to a foster family, a personal file is initially opened, where, of course, there is also a medical card with a detailed description of the minor’s health features: there are, as they say, all the special signs - operations, injuries, birthmarks , eye color, blood type, etc. Secondly, the file contains a photograph of the child at the time of his transfer to a new family. Thirdly, although there is no such requirement officially, most guardianship specialists ask foster parents to provide photos of the pupil taken during the year before January 31 - so you can immediately understand whether it is a child or not. In addition, a particular family has its own employee who “takes care” of the child until the age of majority (if he moves to another place of work, the entire array is transferred to a new person), and he is obliged to regularly visit families, check how the children are kept, in which conditions, whether they are in danger, etc., which means that he must visually know each of his wards. Taken together, all this suggests that the reality of a successful substitution is simply negligible.

EXPERT COMMENT

“For them, replacing “their” dead child with someone else’s, but alive, was the norm”

The point is that in recent times in general, the attitude towards children has changed - they are kidnapped, killed, etc., this has never happened before, - says a well-known Russian forensic psychiatrist, head Center for Legal and psychological help in extreme situations, professor and permanent expert of "KP" Mikhail Vinogradov. - In this particular case, the child was killed or he himself accidentally died, but the adoptive parents did not just hide this, but resolved the issue in the most usual way: by substitution. Yes, to us, people with ordinary psychology, this seems absolutely not normal. But they have their own psychology, their own norms. They realized that they had committed a serious crime, hiding the death of the baby, but they tried to resolve the situation in their own way. Were they afraid of punishment? Oh sure. That is why they acted that way - within the framework of their rules and ideas about life. And the fact that they are confused in the testimony, putting forward one version after another, is also logical: any criminal, if he is not caught by the hand, is trying to evade responsibility. These same people - obviously not very smart, evading, do not even understand how fake it looks.

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