How many rounds in zinc 5.45. Zinc, boxes, cartridges, grenades

Lenin 25-06-2005 12:18

Please tell me what is the size of zinc (height, width, length), you are interested in a box with 5.45x39 automatic cartridges, its weight with cartridges, and the number of cartridges in it.

If not difficult, the same questions with ammunition 7.62x39

Very necessary
Thanks in advance

extractor 25-06-2005 05:05

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Are you going to Razliv again?
With SW.extr,

MonGoL 26-06-2005 12:57

from the Handbook on Shooting: "cartridges model 1943 are sealed in wooden boxes. 2 hermetically sealed metal boxes of 660 parons each are placed in boxes; cartridges in boxes are packed in cardboard packs of 20 rounds. In total, 1320 rounds are placed in the box.

about 5,45, then 1000 rounds seem to fit in zinc

taking into account the fact that the mass of the cartridge, g. 12.48 16.2 10.2, it is easy to obtain the weight of zinc ~ 15 kg.

ULD 27-06-2005 15:20

5.45 rounds in zinc 1080pcs.

1STALKER1 21-08-2005 02:04

In a box 5.45x39 2 zinc in total 2160 rounds. Zinc 1080 patr has a total of 36 magazines

slavko 25-08-2005 01:00

There are fewer tracers 5.45 in zinc.

1STALKER1 25-08-2005 14:32

ULD 26-08-2005 12:51

Not always.
Depends on packaging - if moisture-proof bags - yes. If ordinary paper packs - the same amount. In zinc with tracers, there is a hole closed with a rubber stopper to bleed gases that are released during long-term storage of the tracer composition.

1STALKER1 26-08-2005 20:13

Not always.
Depends on packaging - if moisture-proof bags - yes. If ordinary paper packs - the same amount. In zinc with tracers, there is a hole closed with a rubber stopper to bleed gases that are released during long-term storage of the tracer composition.

What are waterproof bags? Are these blocks of 120 pieces? are they waterproof? And what kind of gases are those that are released during long-term storage of the tracer composition? Cheto I didn’t see a cork there ... from which side is it ??

ULD 29-08-2005 16:21

Yes, 120 pieces, like milk bags - they are waterproof.

It's in the top left corner of the zinc cover.

Raven1 31-08-2005 08:02

quote: Originally posted by ULD:
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Didn't you see the hole? Didn't look there
It's in the top left corner of the zinc cover.

Not on all zinc, but after a certain year of manufacture. When swelling is allowed, piercing with an awl, followed by embedding with plasticine.

In the Soviet armed forces, the packaging of cartridges is standardly carried out according to the system: box-zinc-pack. The main element of capping is a hermetically sealed metal box (colloquially - "cartridge zinc"). In ancient times, boxes made of galvanized iron (soldered) were really used, but they were abandoned in the 1960s in favor of iron welded-sunset, painted with protective enamel (index 57-I-004 and 57-I-004Sh, were used until the middle of 1970 -s), and then integrally stamped. Modern cartridge zinc (index 57-I-0461) - stamped from mild steel and enamelled. Dimensions: 357x156x103 mm, weight 0.9 kg. This type of box is the same for all calibers small arms, and the number of cartridges held is different. Americans call such cartridge boxes "spam cans" ("tin cans").

Opened box, zinc and a pack of cartridges 7.62-mm arr. 1943 with PS bullets manufactured by the Klimovsky stamping plant

Wooden boxes act as transport and storage (external) containers. Two zinc are placed in each box. Cartridge boxes are made from lumber conifers, except for the bottom and lid, which are made of fiberboard. The lid of the box is hinged and is attached to its body with metal fittings. In addition, the box has two wooden carrying handles. Until 1979, cartridge boxes were made entirely, including the bottom and lid, of wood with the lid fastened to the box body with screws.

The dimensions of a standard cartridge box (index 57-I-005) are 488x350x163 mm, the weight of an empty box varies between 3.6-4.0 kg. The difference between the gross and net weight of the box (the total weight of the contained cartridges) is approximately 7 kg. In addition to the metal boxes themselves with cartridges, a special knife is also placed in the box to open them. In boxes with a lid made of fiberboard, the knife is placed in a slot on the inside of the end wall of the box, and with a lid made of wood - in the corresponding slot on the inside of the lid. The sealed cartridge box is tightly covered (tied) with steel packing tape. The ends of the tape are connected mechanically with sealing or welding.

1 - boxes of cartridges 7.62 mm arr. 1943 with PS bullets, old version with a plank cover;

2 - box of 7.62 mm rifle cartridges with LPS bullets, old, used until 1990, version of the marking on the lid (gross weight and transport sign - the number "2" in a triangle);

3 - a box of cartridges 5.45 PS (7N6);

4 - a box of cartridges 7.62 PS (7N1), export marking on the lid.

The inner containers are cardboard boxes or paper bags with cartridges (in the text of the article they will also be referred to as "packs", not to be confused with a "pack", that is, a "pack loading clip", for a Garand rifle), placed in a metal box. For the convenience of extraction from zinc, a fabric tape is laid under one of the packs of each row, the ends of which are brought to the surface. Cartridge container marking consists of inscriptions, signs and colored distinctive stripes; applied by stenciling, stamping, typography or a special marking machine.

Now specifically for calibers. Military ammunition 7.62x54 mm R is packed in packs with a capacity of 20 rounds. For a long time unpainted cardboard was used as the material of the packs. Later, rolls of waxed paper, stapled on the sides, also began to be used. 22 packs are placed in zinc, a total of 440 rounds.

Opening zinc with cartridges using the included knife

Packs of cartridges 7.62 PS (7N1), cardboard (left) and paper

Cartridges of increased accuracy 7.62 PS (7N1) have a distinctive inscription "Sniper" on the packaging, and cartridges 7.62 SNB (7N14) - the inscription "Sniper" and a black stripe. Cartridges 7.62 LPS (57-N-223S) until 1977 were marked with a white stripe on the cartridge container, also in White color the nose of the bullet was painted, but later this color marking was no longer used.

For ammunition for weapons of caliber 7.62x39 mm, designated in Soviet army as "7.62-mm cartridge of the 1943 model", in the manuals on shooting there are two standard capping options: for the Kalashnikov assault rifle - in cardboard boxes of 20 pieces, 33 boxes in zinc, a total of 660 rounds; and for the SKS carbine - in clips of 10 rounds, two equipped clips are placed in a flat oblong cardboard box, 23 boxes in zinc, a total of 460 rounds.

Old galvanized cartridge box from under 7.62-mm cartridges mod. 1943 with BZ bullets. Top - close-up label on the lid of the box

Metal boxes with cartridges of caliber 7.62x39 mm:
1 - armor-piercing 7.62 BP; 2 - with a subsonic bullet 7.62 US;
3, 4 - commercial with a jacketed bullet with a lead core.

However, the actual zinc capacity of this caliber ammunition varies. The most common figures are: 700 shell 7.62 PS gzh, 720 armor-piercing 7.62 BP and 640 commercial sports and hunting cartridges. The explanation seems to lie in the fact that the capacity of zinc (660 rounds) given in the NSD for the Kalashnikov assault rifle is correct for the old galvanized box (57-Ya-002) and the corresponding cardboard pack of the 1950s sample, while the dimensions of the modern container have become somewhat different. The distinctive marking of armor-piercing cartridges 7.62 BP (7N23) is a black stripe on the package, and cartridges 7.62 US with a subsonic bullet (57-N-231U) are a black and green stripe. Abbreviation "L.C.B." on export zinc with sporting and hunting cartridges stands for "lead core bullet" (a bullet with a lead core), since bullets with a steel core are prohibited for hunting in some jurisdictions, and in some even for use by civilians.

Packing cartridges 7.62-mm sample 1943in clips for SKS carbine

Cardboard packs for 20 cartridges 7.62x39 mm different years release. Left - 1950s (for galvanized metal box with a capacity of 660 rounds), center and right - 1960s and 1970/80s (for stamped metal boxes with a capacity of 700 rounds)

The packing capacity of 5.45x39 mm cartridges was immediately made a multiple of the capacity of a standard automatic magazine - 30 rounds. Cartridges were originally packaged in cardboard boxes, but switched to a simplified stapled paper wrapper in the mid-1970s. 36 packs with a total of 1080 cartridges fit into a metal box. An unusual feature is the departure from standard scheme markings small ammunition: on all types of cartridge containers, the designation of the type of cartridge case was applied before the designation of the type of bullet, and not after. For example, for cartridges 5.45 PS (7N6) - "5.45 gs PS"; starting in 1982, the marking began to be written in the standard order "5.45 PS gs".

1 - a box of live ammunition caliber 9x18 mm PM;
2 boxes commercial cartridges the same caliber
3 - a box of commercial cartridges 9x18 mm PM with an expansive bullet manufactured by the Novosibirsk Cartridge Plant;
4 - a box of live ammunition 9x19 mm PS (7N21).

Cartridges for the 9x18 mm Makarov pistol are packed in cardboard boxes of 16 rounds, which corresponds to the capacity of two pistol magazines. 80 such boxes are placed in zinc, for a total of 1260 rounds. A rather unusual oblong shape has a box of 9x19 mm PS (7N21) cartridges intended for the Yarygin pistol. It holds 34 cartridges, 32 such boxes fit into zinc.

Summary data on the capacity of cartridge containers of various calibers are given in table 1:

Table 1

Notes:

1. The data are valid for cartridge containers of the 1950s model.

2. Each zinc with 7.62 US cartridges contains three spare obturators for the muffler.

3. Modern capping of cartridges 7.62x39 mm PS.

4. In the game, due to the lack of photos of such a pack, a 20-cartridge box of 7.62x39 mm BP cartridges is implemented.

5. LCB - sports and hunting cartridge with a bullet with a lead core.

Marking on the packaging with cartridges is applied: on a wooden box - on the lid and on one side wall; on a metal box - on the lid; on a moisture-proof package on the longitudinal sides of the package; on a carton or paper bag- on one side of the box or package. An example of marking on a zinc cover (cartridges 7.62 LPS):

7.62 LPS gzh (7.62 - cartridge caliber, LPS - light bullet with a steel core, GZh - bimetallic sleeve), L54-77-188 (L54 - batch number, 77 - batch production year, 188 - plant number (Novosibirsk low-voltage equipment plant)), VT92/77S (BT - brand of gunpowder (rifle gunpowder for a heavy bullet); 92 - gunpowder batch, 77 - gunpowder production year, C - gunpowder manufacturer), 440 pcs. - the number of cartridges in zinc.

The marking on the side of the box contains similar elements. The cover indicates the gross weight, the conditional number of the dangerous goods in an equilateral triangle (for most types of cartridges these are the numbers "450", for cartridges with an MDZ bullet - "263", for blanks - "471") and the classification code of the transport hazard of the cargo "1.4 S " (code "1.4" according to GOST 19433-88 means "Explosive materials that do not pose a significant hazard"). The danger sign, characteristic of foreign cartridge containers, on an orange paper label is used only for 12.7- and 14.5-mm cartridges with an MDZ bullet. Until 1990, the stencil on the lid of the box had a slightly different look - the gross weight and the transport sign indicating the category of cargo were indicated (the number "2" in the triangle).

Marking on the lid of the cartridge box

For grenade launcher shots to an underbarrel grenade launcher, packaging elements that are similar, but differ in design and size, are used. Three welded-sunset metal boxes of 28 VOG-25 rounds in each are placed in a wooden box. In boxes, shots are stacked in cylindrical paper sleeves in a horizontal position with alternating directions. The density of stacking shots is provided by cardboard pads. In total, there are 84 shots in the box. VOG-25P grenade launcher shots in the same box fit 35 pieces with a vertical arrangement of shots laid with cardboard; accordingly, a total of 105 shots in a box are obtained. One of the three boxes is tied with twine for easy removal from the box. Inserts are placed inside each box to ensure the safety of the shots during transportation and opening the boxes with a knife. A box opener wrapped in paper is placed in a box. The lid of the box is attached to the body on two hinges and fixed with two locks.

For automatic cartridges of 7.62x39 mm and 5.45x39 mm calibers with lacquered steel cases, along with metal boxes, there is an alternative packaging method - in special moisture-proof bags, 120 pieces each. These bags are made of waterproof paper coated on the outside with a polyethylene terephthalate (lavsan) film, and on the inside, facing the cartridges, coated with a paraffin-polyisobutylene mixture. Inside the moisture-proof package, cartridge packs are laid in one or two rows, laid along the perimeter of the package with a lining of wrapping paper. The sealing of the moisture-proof package is carried out by welding the seams and bending the valves. In this case, the same wooden box is used as a transport and storage container, internal surfaces which are laid with waterproof paper coated on both sides or on one side with a paraffin-polyisobutylene mixture.

120-round 5.45x39mm moisture-proof packs

And for the AK-74, in order to facilitate and speed up the process of equipping the store, steel clips (the so-called "combs") for 15 rounds were introduced with an attached adapter - an accelerator loading ("spoon"). The solution was "peeped" by the Americans, who have been using similar loading accelerators for the M14 and M16 for many years. Later, similar kits appeared for weapons of other calibers, including for the VSS silent shooting complex - 10 rounds of 9x39 mm caliber in a clip.

Kit for quick reloading of AK-74 magazines and packs of 5.45x39 mm cartridges

Ammunition caliber 9x39 mm:

1 - equipped magazine and a clip of armor-piercing cartridges with an adapter - an accelerator of loading;

2 - boxes with SP-5 cartridges;

3 - boxes with cartridges SP-5 (far left), SP-6 and PAB-9.

A few words about expiration dates. According to the regulations former USSR the period of storage of ammunition for small arms in the central warehouses - in zinc and capping - is 20 years, after which they are distributed among departments for destruction (shot). Law enforcement agencies store 10 years, after which the cartridges must be replaced with new ones, and these are shot. Unpacked cartridges are stored for 4 years, after which they are subject to destruction (shoot). I don’t presume to judge whether and how strictly these standards have always been observed and how things are now, but I think that even with an optimistic approach, the period within which the cartridge, although it no longer fully corresponds in its parameters to a new product, is, with some reservations, suitable for use, should not exceed 40 years. However, on the weapons forums there are stories about firing from a TT pistol with cartridges of 1938 release and about the amazing accuracy of 1963 rifle cartridges that cannot be compared with modern commercial products. Alexey Potapov in the book "The Art of the Sniper" calls the shelf life of galvanized rifle cartridges 70-80 years real, without losing combat qualities. On the other hand, there are many cases of wounded shooters and damage to weapons due to the use of ammunition with expired expiration dates ... With regard to cartridges for hunting rifled weapons GOST 23128-78 establishes an expiration date (within which the cartridges retain all the parameters established by GOST and the probability of failure-free operation of at least 99.7%) in sealed packaging - 10 years, in non-hermetic packaging - 2 years.

Designations on the covers of die-rolled iron boxes of the so-called "zinc"

Cartridges 7.62x39 are packed in packs of 20 pieces, packs are packed in zinc packs of 33 packs or in stamped boxes of 35 packs. The total number of cartridges in zinc is 660 pieces, and in a stamped metal box - 700 pieces. Two zincs are placed in a wooden box along with a zinc/stamped box opener. In 1960, it was decided to switch from a galvanized steel box to a welded-rolled steel box, as a result of which the dimensions of the box itself and its capacity changed. Cartridges in an iron brass sleeve of early releases were packed in packs, on which there was a designation of the type of cartridge, caliber and number of pieces in the pack. On the zinc cover it was indicated: 7.62 PS gzh (cartridge with a steel core, iron sleeve). Later, it was decided not to put symbols on the packs at all. In 1952, the production of bimetallic sleeves was launched to replace the brass-plated iron sleeves, and starting from the 1960s. - lacquered steel. Cartridges in a steel lacquered sleeve had the designation 7.62 PS gs.

From left to right:
- A cartridge with an iron brass sleeve.
- A cartridge with an iron bimetallic sleeve.
- A cartridge with an iron bimetallic sleeve and a lacquer coating on the joint of the bullet and on the primer.
- A cartridge with an experienced aluminum sleeve.
- Cartridge with lacquered steel sleeve.

Designations on the lid of the box with tracer cartridges (T-45)

Following the created cartridge with a bullet with a steel core, a cartridge with a tracer bullet was designed. So, in the period from 1949 to 1951, the cartridges, which had the designation T-45, were first produced in brass-plated steel cases, and then there was a transition to production in bimetallic steel varnished cases. In 1973, employees of TsNIITOCHMASH, under the guidance of designer Sabelnikov, upgraded an existing cartridge with a tracer bullet.

Digged zinc cartridges 7.62 x 39

foxtrot 07-02-2003 06:09

Servicemen, remember how much army zinc 7.62x39 fits into.

JRGN 07-02-2003 08:11

If memory serves me right, then 660.

Vintorez 07-02-2003 08:40

Lmd 07-02-2003 11:57

And HZ, I don’t remember, or rather, I don’t know. I used zinc in the army 7.62x54, and we had very little x39 ... The caliber was rare in KTurkVO ....

Vitiaz 08-02-2003 12:58

1080
3x10x30 pcs.
6x30 pcs.
Thus, 360 rounds per person are easily issued. 2 packs of 30 pcs. and a pack of 10 packs of 30 pcs.

foxtrot 08-02-2003 01:02

quote: Originally posted by Lmd:
And HZ, I don’t remember, or rather, I don’t know. I used zinc in the army 7.62x54, and we had very little x39 ... The caliber was rare in KTurkVO ....

And where did he serve? I understand in Turkmenistan? I am also there KSAPO, p.g.t. Serakhs.

Dr. Watson 08-02-2003 01:52

Weird. I take zinc. x54 - 240 pieces, x39 - 700 pieces, packs of 20 (twenty) cartridges. Or "grenades I have the wrong system"?

Vitiaz 08-02-2003 02:38

Is it military ammo or hunting ammo?
And if the army, then where else do they use AKM. As far as I understand, in such units where the minimum shot per barrel (technical military schools, for example).

And if the cartridges are hunting, then they can be packed in any way.

kiowa 11-02-2003 11:28

Two options. 660 with clips and 700 without clips. I didn't even see zinc at 1080. Maybe it's packaged for export?

Vitiaz 12-02-2003 12:17

So are the cartridges combat (full shell, hardened steel core) or hunting?

And clips of 10 pcs. - for the SCS, right?

The number of rounds in zinc should be a multiple of 30, if for a machine gun, otherwise the foreman will go crazy.

As far as I understand, the production of 7.62x39 military cartridges has been discontinued, and the army is finishing the stocks. Over the past 15 years, I have seen weapons of this caliber only in non-combat units, where they shoot at the KMB and again for the entire service. Where combat training and work is going on very intensively, weapons are completely changed every two or three years. 7.62 remained only on the machine gun and SVD, and everything else -5.45.

Now I'm wondering if I'm right or not.
5.45 - exactly, 1080 pcs.
7.62 - I don’t remember, it seems also 1080, or maybe 700? Confused, I...

Dr. Watson 12-02-2003 12:26

quote: Originally posted by Vitiaz:
So combat cartridges (completely sheathed, hardened steel core)

The cartridges are "correct". But because of varnish deposits, I won’t take them anymore, I’ll get by with the so-called. hunting hollow points in green lacquer, because Nickel is very loose and can get into the barrel.

Vitiaz 14-02-2003 12:32

Today I asked the OLD.
They scratched the "tops" for a long time, then they gave out: "It seems like 700 ... Either exactly, or with something ..."

Based on the old norms, 1 BC \u003d 8 stores, there should be 720 pieces (1 zinc for three).
The current norms are basically the same, only 1 BC = 12 magazines (360 rounds of ammunition).

Tomorrow I will just meet with those who know - I will find out for sure.

Designations on the covers of die-rolled iron boxes of the so-called "zinc"

Digged zinc cartridges 7.62 x 39