Opinion of a special forces soldier: domestic firearms. about the KP-SR2 open-type collimator sight and about the SR2M in general ... The design and operation of the submachine gun

The SR-2 "Veresk" submachine gun was developed by designers from TsNIItochmash, chambered for 9x21 mm. The development of a submachine gun began in the mid-90s, commissioned by the FSB. It was first presented to a wide audience in 1999, under the name СР-2 ( Special Development 2) "Heather". On the this moment SR-2 "Veresk" is in service with all Russian special forces of the FSB and the Ministry of Internal Affairs.

This submachine gun ensures the defeat of manpower in personal armor protection of the second class at a distance of up to 200 m and unarmored vehicles at range up to 100 m.

The design of the CP-2 automation used the scheme of the 9-mm special machine gun (AS) already in service and the small-sized machine gun SR-3 being designed at the same time on its basis (competition - "Whirlwind"). circuit diagram, based on an automation system with the removal of part of the powder gases from the barrel bore, remained, however, all automation parts are comparable communication with speakers were redesigned. The barrel is locked by turning the bolt.

The trigger mechanism SR-2 of the striker type allows single and automatic fire. The flag type fuse is located on the right side receiver. Translator for the type of fire, also a flag type. Located on the left side of the receiver. A box magazine with a two-row arrangement of twenty or thirty rounds is located in the handle. There is compensation in the muzzle of the barrel

torus, in the upper part of which a special inclined cut is made. The use of such a compensator in the design of the barrel allows you to fire effectively, even holding the machine gun with one hand. The small dimensions and weight of the submachine gun, in combination with the original axillary suspension, ensure its concealed carrying and quick transfer to a combat position. Carrying weapons can also be carried out on a belt attached to the rear and front swivels. On the top of the receiver there is a bracket for mounting the KP SR-2 collimator sight. The reflex sight increases combat practicality, allowing you to save time on aiming.

A wide choice of 9x21 mm ammunition made it possible to expand the tactical capabilities of the SR-2.

SP10 (with a bullet with a special steel core of increased armor penetration),

SP11 (with a low-recocheting lead-core bullet),

SP12 (with an expansive bullet of increased stopping power),

SP13 (with a tracer bullet).

The pistol grip and handguard are made of impact-resistant plastic. folding metal butt, folding up and forward.

In the modernized version of the SR-2M submachine gun, instead of a hard stop, a folding plastic handle is installed on the forearm, in early models it was made of aluminum, when folded the handle becomes part of the forend. Changed fuse box. Also, the muzzle brake-compensator has undergone changes, instead of it a muzzle-stop is installed, which protects the shooter's hand from burns when firing.

Caliber 9 mm

Cartridge 9x21 mm (SP-10, SP-11, SP-12, SP-13)

Mass of unloaded weapons 1.65 kg

Unfolded length 603 mm

Length with stock folded 350 mm

Barrel length 174 mm

Width 46 mm

starting speed bullets 415 - 430 m / s (depending on the cartridge used)

Rate of fire 900 rpm

Magazine capacity 20.30 rounds

Sighting range 200 m

Range of direct firing on the chest figure 200 m

Range of 100% penetration of 4 mm steel sheet 70 m

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Submachine gun SR-2 / SR-2M / SR2MP Veresk (Russia)

SR-2 Veresk submachine gun with folded stock and collimator sight open type

SR-2M submachine gun with folded stock and 20-round magazine

SR-2M submachine gun, right side view

SR-2M submachine gun with attached silencer and tactical flashlight Photo (c) KardeN

SR2MP submachine gun with collimator sight and PBS

The SR-2 "Veresk" submachine gun was designed by the Klimov FGPU "TsNIITOCHMASH" (Central Research Institute of Precision Engineering) on the instructions of the FSB of Russia in the mid-1990s. For the first time this submachine gun was shown in 1999 under the designation SR-2 (Special Development 2) and the name "Veresk". Later, its improved version was created, which received the designation SR-2M "Veresk" and differs mainly in the presence of a folding front handle on the forearm for holding the weapon with two hands. The 9 mm SR-2M submachine gun is a automatic weapon close combat and is designed to defeat manpower, including those using personal protective equipment, at ranges up to 200 m. Powerful domestic pistol cartridges 9x21 - SP-10 and SP-11 are used for firing.

Together with the SR.1 pistol, the SP-10 and SP-11 cartridges and the KP SR-2 single collimator sight, the Veresk submachine gun is part of a high-performance rifle complex capable of hitting an enemy in personal armor protection of the second class at a distance of up to 200 m and unarmored vehicles at a distance of up to 100 m. SR-2M "Veresk" provides 100% penetration of 4-mm steel sheet at a distance of 70 m. The Veresk submachine gun is designed to use various cartridges of the 9x21 mm series: core of increased armor penetration; SP11 - with a bullet with a lead core; SP12 - with an expansive bullet providing increased stopping power; SP13 - with a tracer bullet. The stopping effect of the bullets of the SP-11 and SP-13 cartridges is 1.5-2 times higher than that of the 9×18 PM.

The SR-2M "Veresk" submachine gun operates on the basis of gas-operated automatics with a long stroke of the gas piston. The gas piston located above the barrel is rigidly connected to the bolt carrier. The piston is made hollow and a return spring is placed inside it with its front part. The barrel is locked by cutouts in the receiver by turning the bolt with six lugs. When fired, the gas piston, together with the bolt carrier, moves back, turning the bolt. Next comes the unlocking of the barrel and ejection spent cartridge case, then the bolt sends the next cartridge into the chamber and locks the bore. An automation device with a hard locking of the bore in submachine guns is extremely rare and is due to the use of a powerful cartridge in the weapon. The cocking handle is rigidly fixed on the right side of the bolt carrier.

SR-2M submachine guns are equipped with front holding handles fixed in front of the forearm. The trigger mechanism of the trigger type allows firing both single shots and bursts. The safety lever is located on the right side of the receiver and has two positions marked with the letters "O" - fire and "P" - safety. The lever of the translator of types of fire is located on the left side of the weapon. It also has two positions, marked with one and three dots - single shots and automatic fire, respectively. The weapon is equipped with a metal folding butt, folding up in the stowed position.

The buttstock has a spring-loaded butt pad, which allows you to quickly transfer the weapon from the traveling position to the firing position with an emphasis on the shoulder, and the way it is placed in the folded state reduces the transverse dimensions. Cartridges are fed from detachable box magazines with a staggered arrangement of 20 or 30 rounds and their exit in two rows. Stores are inserted into the pistol grip fire control. The magazine latch is double-sided. Standard sights mechanical, open, but collimator sights can be attached to the cover of the receiver. The collimator sight allows you to significantly increase the efficiency of firing from a submachine gun when firing at moving targets and in low light conditions.

The small dimensions and weight of this submachine gun, combined with the original suspension for carrying it under clothing, ensure its concealed wearing and quick transfer to a combat position. At the same time, the SR-2M "Veresk" provides a reliable defeat of the enemy, protected by bulletproof vests, at ranges up to 100 meters when using SP-10 cartridges with armor-piercing bullets. The SR-2M submachine gun works reliably under various operating conditions in the temperature range from -50 ºC to +50 ºC. The SR-2 and SR-2M "Veresk" submachine guns are currently in service with the FSB and the FSO of the Russian Federation. In addition, Veresk submachine guns are also used in other law enforcement agencies of Russia, in special forces.

The latest version of the SR-2 submachine gun, designed by the Central Research Institute of Precision Engineering, is the SR2MP submachine gun equipped with Picatinny grooves. The SR2MP submachine gun allows you to perform a wider range of combat missions due to the ability to install various types of sights and other equipment on it. With the help of Picatinny grooves located in the upper part of the receiver cover and on the sides of the forearm, collimator, night and optical sights, laser designators and tactical lights.

Personal opinion of the senior sergeant of the military intelligence reserve, lieutenant colonel special unit The Ministry of Internal Affairs, which has extensive combat experience in "hot spots", about the SR-2M submachine gun: "A powerful submachine gun, accurate, with a large ammunition load. The samples purchased for the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the Russian Federation do not have a regular collimator sight - one of the main attributes of this weapon. Instead of a regular case, there is a case from the AKS-74U assault rifle and a bag for AK-74 magazines. Apparently, the Ministry of Internal Affairs did not have enough money or the responsible officials did not consider it necessary to purchase weapons in standard configuration. At the first communication, the ill-conceived arrangement of the controls is surprising. The fuse is located on the right side, although if you place it on the left side, under thumb, then it would be possible to bring the weapon into combat readiness, and just as quickly transfer to a safe state. And all this with one hand. The fire mode translator, on the contrary, is used most often once, and quick access to it is optional. For quick reloading, it would be necessary to move the bolt handle to the other side or make it double-sided. When Vereskov entered the unit, everyone who took their hands paid attention to the too long shoulder rest. When shooting in body armor, this is very noticeable, especially when held by the front handle. Speaking of the handle. Something, of course, necessary. When using the handle lock, sooner or later it pinches the skin on the index finger. The handle itself is located close to the muzzle, which gets very hot during intense shooting and does not add comfort to the hand. It would be nice to install a plastic pad at the bottom of the muzzle. A muzzle with compensation holes would not hurt. When holding the weapon by the front handle, the sharp edges of the lower part of the forearm cut into the brush. Tolerable, but unpleasant. Karden

Specifications СР-2 Veresk:

Weapon length: 603/367 mm

Barrel length: 173 mm

Weapon Width: 46mm

Weight without cartridges: 1.6 kg.

Rate of fire: 900 rds / min

Magazine capacity: 20 or 30 rounds

Specifications SR-2M Veresk:

Caliber: 9x21 (SP.10, 7H29 and other variants)

Weapon length: 603/367 mm

Barrel length: 172 mm

Weapon Width: 41mm

Weapon height: 190 mm

Weight without cartridges: 1.65 kg.

Rate of fire: 820 rds / min

Magazine capacity: 20 or 25 rounds

Submachine guns

The Veresk submachine gun differs from the so-called peers in its firing range. The weapon can hit a target at a distance of up to 200 meters. In addition to the high range, the submachine gun has other powerful parameters. For example, he easily breaks through individual armor protection enemy.

The first weapons development was carried out at the end of the last century, and the modernized model, which is used by the special services, was presented only in 1999.

The compact submachine gun is ideal for close combat and defense. PP is convenient in shooting with a butt, from the hands, offhand. During combat, a high density of fire is provided in a short period of time.

The pistol cartridge, which has a small amount of gas and a low muzzle velocity, facilitates the use of silencers.

Features of a specially designed pistol

Conducting experiments on new weapons began in 1993. Since that time, the development of a new development work under a special code has also begun. The SR-2 "Veresk" submachine gun is adapted as SR stands for "special development". The final version of "Heather" was adopted in 2000.

The main features of the software SR-2 are:

A rare automation system and a barrel bore locking unit.
Removal of powder gases into the gas chamber, which is located above the barrel.
The bolt carrier is rigidly connected to the gas piston rod.
The return spring is located in the channel of the bolt carrier.
The shutter is equipped with six lugs.

The reload handle is located on the right side. Due to this, the size of the weapon is significantly reduced. The compensator is attached to the muzzle. The automation box is made by cold stamping from steel sheet.

The design and operation of the submachine gun

The firing mechanism of the Russian submachine gun "Veresk" is a striker type. The fuse box is on the right. When turned on in the extreme position, the fuse blocks the trigger, and the flag blocks the groove for the passage of the reload handle. Another flag translator is placed on the left. He sets a single or regular fire. Checkbox is toggled thumb arms.

The supply of cartridges comes from a direct box magazine. A feature of the store is the staggered arrangement of cartridges. When the ammunition is used up, the magazine is discarded after pressing its latch. The shooting process is equally convenient for both hands.

A front sight with a fuse is installed near the muzzle of the barrel. The rear sight is designed for shooting at a distance of up to 200 meters. The automation cover is adapted for the installation of an optical or collimator sight.

The butt is made by stamping metal. It folds up and down.

The SR-2M "Veresk" submachine gun is a modernized version of the above weapons. The fuse box has been changed in it. In the SR-2M, the muzzle device was replaced, and a folding front handle appeared on the forearm.

Tactical and technical characteristics of software SR-2M

Mass of weapons without equipment: 1650
The length of the PP with a folded butt: 603 mm.
Folded: 350 mm.
Barrel length: 174 mm.
Number of grooves: 6.
Sight range: up to 200 m.
Magazine capacity: 20/30 rounds.

It is worth noting that a collimator sight (approximately 300 grams) and an equipped magazine are added to the weight.

The submachine gun is adapted for and 7BTZ. The initial speed of the bullet depends precisely on the type of cartridge and is: in the first case - 440 m / s, in the second - 415 m / s, and in the third - 430 m / s. The SP11 cartridge is equipped with a low-ricochet bullet, and the 7BTZ cartridge is equipped with an armor-piercing tracer.

The characteristics of the Veresk submachine gun allow firing at a distance of 100-200 meters. The front sight with a fuse is located on the extreme front of the barrel. A collimator sight with a 6-o field of view is attached to the lid of the box. Such sights are the main ones in combat at short range.

Design features of the submachine gun

The butt of the weapon is made by cold stamping of steel. The control handle and handguard are made of impact-resistant plastic. The handle is made integral with the trigger guard. A front stop is installed in front of it. The forearm covers the barrel.

For the convenience of firing from a position with outstretched arms, a front bend was designed on the trigger guard (as for firing with a two-handed grip).

In the upgraded version, the hard stop on the handguard is replaced by a folding front handle. This feature improves the controllability of weapons and accuracy of fire. The fuse box has also been upgraded. AT new version the muzzle device is presented in the form of a muzzle-stop. This feature allows you to protect the shooter's hand from burns by powder gases and forward displacement.

The Veresk submachine gun is worn on a belt and discreetly, using a hanger that can accommodate both a weapon and a spare magazine.

Weapon automation

The SR-2 "Veresk" software uses gas-operated automatics with barrel locking at the time of the shot.

The gas piston in the cylinder is located above the barrel. When fired by a piston, the bolt frame is actuated (in which the bolt with 6 lugs is located). On the right side of the bolt carrier, the cocking handle is rigidly fixed.

It is possible to conduct automatic and single fire. The right fuse lever has 2 modes: O - fire, P - fuse. The left one performs the functions of a translator of fire modes: one dot corresponds to a single shot, three dots - to automatic fire.

Ammunition is fed from box magazines. The design of the Veresk submachine gun is equipped with standard open sights.

PP design with incomplete disassembly

The device consists of:

From the return mechanism.
shutter frame.
Mainspring with guide.
Drummer.
Shutter.
forearm.
Barrel with automatic.
Trigger mechanism.
Butt.
other surface details.
Shop.

The standard equipment consists of the following items:

Suspension (bag for a spare clip + shoulder suspension + holster). It is used for concealed carrying.
belt. Designed for open carry. Adjustable in length.
Ramrod (used when cleaning weapon elements).
Bags.
Cases.
Other accessories for cleaning and disassembly.

The Veresk submachine gun needs regular cleaning after each use. Timely care significantly increases the resource reserve and service life. Cleaning is desirable to be done immediately after shooting.

Improved software of the SR-2 series

The new automation system and unusual buttstock are matched to the powerful ammunition for which the weapon is designed. Automation mechanisms of PP are reliable in adverse conditions (for example, with increased dustiness, humidity). The operating temperature range is from -50 to +50 degrees. A silencer can also be installed on the PP.

When developing the guidance system, it was planned to use only mechanical and flip diopter sights. Somewhat later, a collimator sight was added to the layout of the Veresk SP-2MP submachine gun, which is the main one. The mechanical one was somewhat modified - it only had one rear sight. The distance to the target is taken into account by offsetting the aiming point in height. This method is convenient for experienced shooters.

Ammunition for "Heather"

The submachine gun is used in view of this, the weapon is adapted to different kinds supplies caliber 9 × 21 mm:

SP10 - with a steel bullet of increased armor penetration. This type of cartridge strikes enemy manpower at a distance of up to 200 meters, and is also capable of harming individual body armor.
SP11 - ammunition created using a lead core.
SP12 - cartridge with an expansive bullet. It provides increased stopping power.
SP13 - supplies with a tracer bullet.

According to experts, the damaging effect of the cartridges of the Veresk submachine gun is up to three times higher than that of the 9 × 18 mm PM supplies, and 2 times higher than that of the 9 × 19 mm.

Advantages and disadvantages of weapons

Among the advantages are:

High fire power.
Accuracy of shooting.
High damaging effect at close range.
Light weight.
Convenient design.
Roomy store.
Convenient layout.
Good aiming system.
Ability to use different cartridges.

The disadvantages are:

Poor quality of some samples.
Some parts are not interchangeable.
Frequent malfunctions.

The advantages and disadvantages of the Veresk submachine gun make it possible to determine the necessary amount of work for further improvement of the weapon.

Weapon Safety

Upon receipt, be sure to check the charging of the firearm.
It is forbidden to direct the muzzle towards people and animals.
Any weapon should be considered loaded until checked.
When the bolt is retracted, the barrel is directed directly at the target or in a safe direction. In this case, the possibility of ricochet should be taken into account.
Outside the fire mode, it is forbidden to put a finger on the trigger.
Before operation, check the barrel for foreign objects.
When firing in a position with outstretched arms, the grip must be such that the shutter does not cause injury to the hand.
An obligatory item is the briefing before classes.
In the fire zone, as well as during transportation, actions begin and stop at the command of the leader.

Safety in the fire zone

When shooting, it is prohibited:

To allow persons who have not passed the safety test and are unsuitable for health reasons to take up arms.
Perform operations with weapons without the permission of the commander (load, fire, etc.).
Leave personal device unattended, as well as pass it on to third parties.
Use the wrong ammunition.
Use personal devices (for example, a telephone) in the fire sector.
Adjust equipment with weapons in hand.
admit persons in a state of alcoholic or drug intoxication, strangers.
Disassemble ammunition and troubleshoot it.

Powerful and efficient modern weapons is the Veresk submachine gun. Photos allow you to evaluate its compactness and correct layout. It should be remembered that with any use of firearms, safety precautions should be followed. Also, you can not ignore the rules of care, transportation and storage.

The SR-2 "Veresk" submachine gun was designed by the Klimov FGPU "TsNIITOCHMASH" on the instructions of the FSB of Russia in the mid-1990s. For the first time this submachine gun was shown in 1999 under the designation SR-2 (Special Development 2) and the name "Veresk". The 9 mm SR-2 submachine gun is an automatic melee weapon designed to engage manpower, including those using personal protective equipment, at ranges up to 200 m.

SR-2 "Veresk" provides 100% penetration of 4 mm steel sheet at a distance of 70 m. The Veresk submachine gun is designed to use various cartridges of the 9x21 mm series:

SP10 - with a steel core of increased armor penetration.
SP11 - with a bullet with a lead core.
SP12 - with an expansive bullet that provides increased stopping power.
SP13 - with a tracer bullet.

When fired, the gas piston, together with the bolt carrier, moves back, turning the bolt. Next, the barrel is unlocked and the spent cartridge case is ejected, then the bolt sends the next cartridge into the chamber and locks the bore. An automation device with a hard locking of the bore in submachine guns is extremely rare and is due to the use of a powerful cartridge in the weapon. The cocking handle is rigidly fixed on the right side of the bolt carrier.

The trigger mechanism of the trigger type allows firing both single shots and bursts. The safety lever is located on the right side of the receiver and has two positions marked with the letters "O" - fire and "P" - safety. The lever of the translator of types of fire is located on the left side of the weapon. It also has two positions, marked with one and three dots - single shots and automatic fire, respectively.

SR-2 submachine guns are equipped with front holding handles fixed in front of the forearm. The weapon is equipped with a metal folding butt, folding up in the stowed position. The buttstock has a spring-loaded butt pad, which allows you to quickly transfer the weapon from the traveling position to the firing position with an emphasis on the shoulder, and the way it is placed in the folded state reduces the transverse dimensions.

Cartridges are fed from detachable box magazines with a staggered arrangement of 30 rounds and their exit in two rows. Stores are inserted into the pistol grip fire control. The magazine latch is double-sided.

Standard sights are mechanical, open, but collimator sights can be attached to the receiver cover.

The SR-2 "Veresk" submachine guns are currently in service with the FSB and the FSO of the Russian Federation. In addition, Veresk submachine guns are also used in other law enforcement agencies of Russia, in special forces.

Hook 12-05-2007 21:16

Please post here interesting information according to these samples, preferably, precisely according to their modernized versions.
I post information from the catalog special weapons FSB. I think this information will be new and interesting.

Hook 12-05-2007 21:19

SR-1M Vector(index SV-1327/m)

Designed to defeat offenders protected by second-class bulletproof vests, and various technical means(vehicles, etc.).
Special fuses do not require the preparation of the pistol for firing.

Caliber - 9 mm
Magazine capacity - 18 rounds
Practical rate of fire - 50 rounds per minute
Sighting range - 100 m
Muzzle velocity - 420 (SP-10) and 390 (SP-11) m/s
Dimensions - 195x145x30 mm
Weight with a magazine without cartridges - 0.95 kg

The history of the creation of the pistol can be read here: http://rapidshare.com/files/29557618/sps.zip - Special issue of the magazine "Arms" - Weapon Russia - SPS

Hook 12-05-2007 21:19

SR-3M Whirlwind(index SV-1327/m)

Designed to defeat manpower during the neutralization of armed terrorists.
Provides for the conduct of hostilities and the destruction of targets in buildings captured by armed criminals, protected by class II anti-fragmentation bulletproof vests, as well as the destruction of unarmored cars and trucks.

Caliber - 9 mm
Magazine capacity - 30 rounds
Practical rate of fire - 840 rounds per minute
Sighting range - 200 m
Muzzle velocity - 295 m/s
Length with folded (folded) butt - 640 (396) mm
Weight with a magazine without cartridges - 2.1 kg

Type of cartridges used - SP-5, SP-6

Can be equipped with a silencer (index SV-1335/1):
Length - 277 mm
Diameter - 48 mm
Weight - 0.65 kg

Hook 12-05-2007 21:20

SR-2M Veresk(index SV-1337/m)

Designed for automatic and single fire in order to destroy non-armored vehicles and enemy manpower, including those protected by body armor of the second class of protection, in close combat and at a distance of up to 200 m.
Equipped with a collimator sight, which increases the efficiency of shooting. Allows you to shoot with one hand.

Caliber - 9 mm
Magazine capacity - 20 and 25 rounds
Rate of fire - 820 rounds per minute
Sighting range - 200 m
Muzzle velocity - 445 m/s
Length with folded (folded) butt - 560 (353) mm
Height with magazine for 20 rounds - 190 mm
Width - 41 mm
Weight with magazine for 20 rounds without cartridges - 1.535 kg
Shooting mode - single, automatic
Type of cartridges used - SP-10, SP-11, SP-12, SP-13

Can be equipped with a silencer (index SV-1381):
Length - 247 mm
Diameter - 48 mm
Weight - 0.575 kg

Hook 12-05-2007 21:27

I don’t know, but at least I haven’t seen a photo of the SR-3M anywhere, and the SR-1M with a square button behind the handle too.
Secondly, the cap says: please upload materials !!! I just wanted to collect information about this weapon in one heap.

Hook 12-05-2007 21:32

Now a few questions:

Can someone post materials from the magazines WEAPONS 2-2004 and 3-2004

fuss 12-05-2007 21:34

The forum had a rather large topic on "Gyurze" (Vector), perhaps. in the thread " tactical weapons", but for "Heather" it seems to be quite small, since there is little information from users of this device.

Hook 12-05-2007 21:38

It’s a bit scary there with information, there’s more and more talk about nothing, but I would like more information and preferably about MODERNIZED samples, for example, there’s nothing at all about SR-3M

Set A 13-05-2007 01:26

And about cartridges for them - all the same, special weapons IMHO are interesting to consider the barrel-cartridge bundle - please! (trembling with the tips of my ears)

bang-bang 13-05-2007 23:10

And what about the cartridges: 9x21 - a reinforced cartridge designed by Alexei Yuryev, I don’t remember where, but I read that the muzzle energy of the Gyurza is about 750 J, I didn’t shoot from this miracle myself, but I had to shoot from the VSK-94 and the Vintorez . SP-5 - 9mm cartridge looks very similar to 7.62x39 mod 43g. SP-6 is its armor-piercing version, I even have cartridge cases from SP-5 somewhere "as a keepsake", if I find a photo I'll post it

bang-bang 14-05-2007 01:31

Thanks for the fok, by the way, the store at the whirlwind in the picture for 20 rounds, and not 30, as the TTX reports (Personally, I didn’t see it at all for similar weapons(SHAFT, screw cutter, whirlwind) stores for 30 Patras, only for 10 and 20)

Hook 14-05-2007 01:50

I took the information from the catalog of special weapons of the FSB, it says so, maybe they made a magazine for 30 rounds for the SR-3M (but they might not have found a photo of the magazine itself). And in general, if you notice, the SR-3M is very different from the SR-3: the handle was attached to the front like that of the SR-2M, the forend was changed, the butt is already folded to its side (such as that of AS Val) and a bunch of small ones. Now, if someone posted information about modernization - what changed, why, for what, etc.

Vic 14-05-2007 15:08

Now a few questions:
SR-1M and SPS - are they the same thing or not?
Can someone post materials from the magazines WEAPONS 2-2004 and 3-2004

Spread an article from "Arms" 2-2004. There is no scanner yet, I did it with a digital camera.

percyolivas 14-05-2007 19:59

Dear Vic:
Sorry for write you in this forum in english, because recently i begin to study russian language, could you scan the front cover of the magazine about CP2 machine gun please?

percy olives

Dear Vic.

With the best from South America
Percy Olivas

Set A 14-05-2007 21:03

And the type and characteristics of a 9mm armor-piercing cartridge can be found somewhere?

Hook 14-05-2007 23:06

Vic great respect to you for the magazine. I learned a lot about the SR-2(M), the history of Russian submachine guns, and finally saw a photo of the SP-12.

Question: in the photo, if I'm not mistaken, you can see that the SR-2 has a magazine attached to the front stop? (like PP-2000, in which in earlier versions a spare magazine could be used as a shoulder rest)

And a request: Vic, look at the link, you can help (regarding the defective Weapon 10-2004).

Hook 15-05-2007 12:20

There is practically no detailed information on SP-5 and SP-6.

For the SP-6 cartridge, Yu. Frolov developed a bullet of a different design. Its hardened steel core, longer than that of SP-5, fills the entire cavity of the bimetallic shell. The latter does not completely cover the head part of the core; its black top protrudes from the shell. This bullet has a higher penetrating and lethal effect. The SP-6 cartridge is an "assault" cartridge and is designed to hit targets hiding in cars or protected by bulletproof vests.

Cartridge length, mm - 56
Bullet length, mm - 41
Cartridge weight, g - 23
Bullet weight, g - 16
Initial speed, ms - 290
Sleeve - steel
The radius of the circle containing 50% of hits at a distance of 100 m - 3.5 cm

SP-6 and SP-5: internal arrangement

Set A 15-05-2007 01:37

THANKS!!!

cabal2600 15-05-2007 04:27

Lord
Something I don’t like it all, Americans and other foreign shushora are rushing to our forum just some kind of disaster. We need to make separate forum branches where no one can steal our material, we post the material for free for each other and the children steal cattle, they translate and even laugh that we give them secrets, something needs to be done. That's why I don't post my military material on this forum.

Dr. Watson 15-05-2007 10:30

quote: Originally posted by cabal2600:
Americans and other foreign riffraff

Especially when in your Profile: New York , United States.

Vic 15-05-2007 12:46

quote: Originally posted by percyolivas:
Dear Vic:
Sorry for write you in this forum in english, because recently i begin to study russian language, could you scan the front cover of the magazine about CP2 machine gun please?
best regards from south america
percy olives
From the moderator __________________________
Dear Vic.
I apologize for writing to you on this forum in English, because. I just started learning Russian. Could you post a scan of the magazine cover from the SR-2?
With the best from South America
Percy Olivas

Grand merci moderator for the translation. (I'm not very good at English)
Percy, cover for you.

Vic 15-05-2007 12:53

quote: Originally posted by Hooke:
Question: in the photo, if I'm not mistaken, you can see that the SR-2 has a magazine attached to the front stop? (like PP-2000, in which in earlier versions a spare magazine could be used as a shoulder rest)

The store is not attached to the stop, just when photographing it was placed under the PP in order to align the muzzle sections along the same plane.

sergant 15-05-2007 12:59

There is such a photo for SR-2, sorry I didn’t find it in a better resolution.

Beslan.

Vic 15-05-2007 13:20

quote: Originally posted by Hooke:
[B] There is practically no detailed information on SP-5 and SP-6.

We posted an article on the forum "Vintorez and Val" also historical a series of"WEAPONS" there, among other things, there is a history of the creation of cartridges SP-5, SP-6, PAB-9. I downloaded it for myself, but I don’t remember where now. Looks like I've looked all over the forum and can't find it. If people have an interest and the moderator does not mind, I can post it.

In addition, there are other materials on the topic:

1. "Fife-seveN? Nine! This is our answer PDW" - article about SR-2 "WEAPON" 6/2000

Hook 16-05-2007 12:03

quote: The store does not attach to the stop, just when photographing it was placed under the PP in order to align the muzzles along one plane.

Vic thanks for the clarification, they don’t know how to work with Photoshop

quote: 1. "Fife-seveN? Nine! This is our answer PDW" - article about SR-2 "WEAPON" 6/2000
2. The case of "Rooks" - an article on the development of pistols on this topic and the adoption of weapons (pistols by Yarygin, Serdyukov, Gryazev with Shipunov) "Kalashnikov" 4/2003
3. Rookie "Yarygin" - in detail about the pistol PYa "Kalashnikov" 6/2003

Well, of course, lay it out, although I have # 1, maybe someone else will need it.

quote: We posted an article on the forum "Vintorez and Val" also a historical series of well "WEAPONS" there, among other things, there is a history of the creation of cartridges SP-5, SP-6, PAB-9. I downloaded it for myself, but I don’t remember where now. Looks like I've looked all over the forum and can't find it. If people have an interest and the moderator does not mind, I can post it.

So I rummaged through the forum and found this special issue: